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This was spawned by the discussion in matrix-org/matrix-spec#2181.

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Most clients already rely on being able to access the m.room.member events of the knock or invite process, and of the inviter.

The following client implementations also rely on being able to access the origin_server_ts:

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Signed-off-by: Kévin Commaille <[email protected]>
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@zecakeh zecakeh changed the title MSCXXXX: Non-stripped room member event in stripped state MSC4319: Non-stripped room member event in stripped state Aug 1, 2025
Signed-off-by: Kévin Commaille <[email protected]>
@tulir tulir added proposal A matrix spec change proposal client-server Client-Server API kind:maintenance MSC which clarifies/updates existing spec labels Aug 1, 2025
@zecakeh zecakeh changed the title MSC4319: Non-stripped room member event in stripped state MSC4319: Room member events in stripped state Aug 30, 2025
display information about the sender of an invite, like their display name or avatar.


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Clients have depended on synapse's behaviour of including the full client formatted event for the m.room.member invite event.

the-draupnir-project/Draupnir#945

In draupnir this dependency is more than just a parsing issue. The matrix-protection-suite provides a handle called handleExternalMembership which invitations are fed into from the matrix-protection-suite's conception of the timeline, which is closer to appservice push than /sync. As appservice push also pushed invitations this way.

Deduplication and buffering is then coordinated using the event id as it is identical to any other client formatted event and not special cased. So this is a deep dependency.

https://github.com/Gnuxie/matrix-protection-suite/blob/a85102c0aaa6ba73beae8fdb35600eec0999eada/src/Protection/Protection.ts#L176
https://github.com/the-draupnir-project/Draupnir/blob/main/src/protections/invitation/JoinRoomsOnInviteProtection.tsx#L86-L96
https://github.com/the-draupnir-project/Draupnir/blob/f1dad52288ff32a096cbd3ff5be110648574c51f/src/Draupnir.ts#L355
https://github.com/Gnuxie/matrix-protection-suite/blob/453e55b182282aad59db430f53549d89541a8e21/src/ClientManagement/StandardClientRooms.ts#L95-L126
https://github.com/the-draupnir-project/Draupnir/blob/f1dad52288ff32a096cbd3ff5be110648574c51f/src/DraupnirBotMode.ts#L97-L99
https://github.com/the-draupnir-project/Draupnir/blob/f1dad52288ff32a096cbd3ff5be110648574c51f/src/appservice/AppService.ts#L355

display information about the sender of an invite, like their display name or avatar.


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The change complicates clients that allow either /sync or appservice push to be their event source. Since now invitations sourced from /sync will be a different format to those provided in appservice push. See #4319 (comment).

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Additionally, the appservice event can't be stripped, because then you'd have two different data formats in the events array of /transactions

In this specific context, the AS API is closer to S-S than C-S /sync, as both AS and S-S send full invite events with stripped state in unsigned -> invite_room_state, while /sync flattens invite event + stripped state into an invite_state array

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I have changed the proposal in 1b81df4 to send the full event in a different place to attempt to take care of two concerns at once: the event formats should not be mixed in invite_state, and implementations rely on all fields of the full event format.

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