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Unify Bubblegum and Taffy moves. Improve flow of Bubblegum section. [[Issue #1045]] #1060

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Expand Up @@ -292,7 +292,7 @@ These conventions apply to any variant with a pink (touched by all ranks) suit.
### The Bubblegum Bluff (Two-Away-From-Playable Form)

- Normally, _Bubblegum Bluffs_ are always performed by touching _one-way-from-playable_ pink cards.
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Sorry, I'm on mobile, so I can't easily find the old language. I really do prefer it though, as I had reviewed that multiple times already before submitting it for review.

Can you think of a less invasive way to update the old language if you feel it needs additional emphasis on the fact that other conventions like 2 saves exist?

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not sure, suggest something using the suggest feature

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- Note that, as with a standard _Bluff_, the receiver of a _[Bubblegum Bluff](#the-bubblegum-bluff)_ marks their pink card as the lowest-possible, useful value it could be (given the team's preceding actions).
- However, it is sometimes possible that the lowest-possible, useful value is actually _two-away-from-playable_.

What about something like this? (I'll find the suggest feature shortly).

  • Got rid of "good touch" and replaced it with "useful"
  • Added "(given the team's preceding actions)" to hint at the fact that there might be blind plays, etc... a 2 save does not a bluff make :)

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Note that, as with a standard Bluff, the receiver of a Bubblegum Bluff marks their pink card as the lowest-possible, useful value it could be (given the team's preceding actions).

That's not how "standard" bluffs work though. After a normal bluff, the receiver marks their card as all the matching one-away-from-playable cards. And if we are including all bluffs, then the receiver marks their card as that + all of the N arbitrary bluffs that were previously agreed upon before the game started (3 bluff, critical 4 bluff, etc.)

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Continuing: Trash bluffs exist, and trash bluffs are done with 1's, so correct me if I am wrong, but the "lowest rank" of the card isn't really relevant, its the N-away-from-playable part.

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would it be clearer to hyperlink the text to the bluff docs? https://hanabi.github.io/docs/level-11#the-bluff

I used the word "standard" to not have to worry about all of those other bluffs. is there another word you'd like better?

The "lowest rank" matters when determining the possible values of the target of a bubblegum move. For example, on turn 1, Alice gives Cathy a "2" clue focusing slot 1. Bob blind plays red 1 from slot 2. What is Cathy's note?

"Logically" it could be i3, i4, or i5 (not i1 as Bob would have played from slot 1, and not i2 as Bob would have played from slot 1). We agree that it's the lowest rank of these, in this case i3.

(EDIT: I should add it's obviously not any non-pink/non-omni card -- as no other conventions would result in Bob blind playing from slot 2.)

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- Normally, _Bubblegum Bluffs_ are always performed by touching _one-way-from-playable_ pink cards.
- Note that, as with a standard _Bluff_, the receiver of a _[Bubblegum Bluff](#the-bubblegum-bluff)_ marks their pink card as the lowest-possible, useful value it could be (given the team's preceding actions).

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Could also drop the leading "Note that, ..." and start with "As with a standard Bluff, ...."

- Rarely, it is possible to perform a _Bubblegum Bluff_ on a _two-away-from-playable_ pink card. However, this can only be done in a specific situation where if the clued card to be _one-way-from-playable_, it would not work out.
- However, it is sometimes possible that the lowest-possible, useful value is actually _two-away-from-playable_.
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just a heads up that the language "lowest-possible, useful value" here might be incomplete/lack context if we aren't also taking the rewrite suggestion for the first line.

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"...lowest-possible, useful value of a focused pink card is actually..." ?

- For example, in a 3-player game:
- It is the first turn and nothing is played on the stacks.
- Alice clues number 2 to Cathy, touching a pink 3 on slot 3 as a _Play Clue_. (The pink 3 is currently _two-away-from-playable_.)
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