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Hey, great work @mseeger . Can we decouple things a lot, though? Some initial thoughts:
Again, super good stuff in the PR! I think there are a few things to split out and consider individually and then maybe we can have a video call about the core KVCache things, wdyt? Thanks for the initiative for better KVCacheing! |
Hello, sure we can have a call, I am in the central Europe (Germany) time zone. |
My impression was that batched generation is not really there. But if it is, I don't ask to change it. One thing is important through. KV caches really work by filling positions sequentially. So, you filled positions |
Also, the implementation right now allows you to send in KV cache objects from the start. If you do not do that, it will create them by default. This is done by Note that prefill here means that I can do a single pass, and the cache can take it all, without having to evict anything. It does not mean that this will encode even the shortest prompt in the batch. If prompts are longer than the max prefill length, you need to do it sequentially in chunks. Maybe there is an easier way, we can discuss. |
It is annoying I cannot show you the KV cache code I have. But in a talk, I could explain why a few things are the way they are. Of course, I am not on top of other constraints you guys have. |
You may ask why We can do things so the very first call to the model, with
you'd call
This I could do. That would indeed be a little simpler. |
@t-vi Let me know what the next steps here should be. If I understand correctly, I could:
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Hi, so I think we should try to break things down. We could either start with the core caching itself and try to see how to integrate it with minimal changes or see what is the deal with batching and prefill first. |
Hello @t-vi , let me try to break things down. Changes are these:
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If I understand you correctly, you complain about 2., especially the automatic creation of default cache when nothing is done, and the change of
Would that be what you prefer? |
As for 1. and 3., in the end, they go together, but I can try split it into two. I'd first do 1., keeping the generation code in place, which would however not work for batches and not support the sequential processing of prompts properly. First doing 3. is not really sensible, because it requires things from 1. What do you think? |
Note that with DeepSeek (I am involved trying to bring this to Hugging Face), there is a lot of movement now not to ignore KV caching in the future. They even released a paper now how they can train with large contexts. |
OK, I did 2) AFAI understand. I'd work on 1) once I find time. |
No idea why all these tests are failing. Tests work for me locally. |
@t-vi Maybe I can change your mind about first keeping the current generation code in place, and only contribute the KV cache support? This is quite a bit of extra work for me, and new code of mine has a number of improvements. in particular, the current code does not really do batch generation, it is marked with several TODO and is not used. If we could have a chat, I'd appreciate that. |
Your CI system seems to be broken still. |
Out of curiosity: Why do you object to batch prompts being a list of tensors? In the end, they can have wildly different lengths, and there is not much you can do against that (sure, if you get lots of requests, you can maybe cluster them, but doing this too much delays requests, so increases latency). Also, you really don't want to push PAD tokens into models just because a prompt in a batch happens to be shorter than others. The model, not being trained on this, would certainly get confused. And since you need to start token-by-token forward for generation, you really gain nothing by padding prompts. I always thought if this as some kind of TensorFlow artefact when all tensors had to be allocated up front, etc. But I thought we have overcome this with PyTorch. |
Hey, sorry, I am totally swamped, still want to have a video call to chat.
Because lists are a lot less nice to work with in various setups passing to kernels, cudagraphs etc. For somewhat homogeneous seq lengths, padding works fine. We are using it in production, so I'm doubting claims that it does not work. It does have limitations with the inhomogenous sequence lengths, which we want to support. But the proper way to support this is packed sequences, i.e. pass in flat This is hugely more flexible. It needs FlexAttention or somesuch https://pytorch.org/docs/stable/nn.attention.flex_attention.html to make it work efficiently in stock PyTorch. |
Let me know when is a good time. I am in Europe time zone |
After our call, I think I understand more what you mean. Something like an abstraction in multi-head attention, where the input are keys, values, query for the current input chunk, all the same size, but then this is bundled:
This makes a lot of sense, and is quite elegant. |
@mseeger shall be fixed now, thank you for your patience :) |
As discussed with @t-vi , I'll refactor this as stated in the comment above. Makes total sense |
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@t-vi , is this what you had in mind? |
I'd be OK to take out my batched inference part here, but this means there won't be any. Do you have plans to add the batched inference code you talked about any time soon? |
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OK, I've taken out the batched inference code. Still working on fixing the tests (and need to refactor speculative decoding), but this is essentially it. |
for more information, see https://pre-commit.ci
Adds abstraction for key-value caches, implements batched inference.
I am also adding two baseline KV caches, the default one from before (all KV are stored) and a last-recent one.
The abstraction contains methods not used by these baselines, but they are required to implement more advanced KV caches such as Heavy Hitter Oracle (H2O).
I have implemented some of these, but I may not be allowed to contribute them here (working for a company). I'll see what I can do.