Create a nodejs npm organization?

[ronag]

I think it might make sense to have a NodeJS organization on npm where different working groups could publish packages, e.g. @nodejs/undici, @nodejs/quic etc... for feedback on new modules we are working on before or as an alternative to inclusion into core. I think this sometimes would be a preferable workflow to adding features as "experimental" (unless they depend on code in core).

Would also be potentially useful for future packages we are working on in @nodejs/web-server-frameworks through e.g. #531.

[mmarchini]

cc @nodejs/tsc @nodejs/community-committee

I think having an npm org so we can publish scoped packages is a good idea.

https://www.npmjs.com/org/nodejs already exists. I don't know if it is owned by any of us or not though (it's not owned by the old nodejs-foundation user). If it's not owned, we need to send a request to npm to transfer ownership.

[bnb]

@mmarchini afaik it is us.

[mmarchini]

I think so too, but I really can't tell with all that information on npm

[mhdawson]

When we last discussed we went with using the nodejs-foundation as described in one of the docs (don't have time to find it right now).

There have been discussion over the years that maybe we should use the org feature (at the start is was not as well established), but I was not in the loop if we created it.

[bnb]

Ah yeah, I remember that - I think the reason why we did this was to preserve the scope of @nodejs/ for core if we were to align with some web standards that were being discussed around scoped modules. @MylesBorins may have more context on that/how it's progressed?

[bnb]

As an extension of that: I don't think @nodejs-foundation/ makes sense anymore at all and we should reconsider that decision.

[mmarchini]

Agreed, but I don't think nodejs-foundation is an npm org, seems like it's a regular user: https://www.npmjs.com/~nodejs-foundation

[richardlau]

Agreed, but I don't think nodejs-foundation is an npm org, seems like it's a regular user: https://www.npmjs.com/~nodejs-foundation

Correct, it is a regular user owned by the Build WG:

• https://github.com/nodejs/build/blob/master/doc/resources.md#npm-management
• https://github.com/nodejs/admin/blob/master/npm-management.md

It's meant to be there as a backup to prevent us being locked out of any modules we own, e.g. due to users becoming inactive.

[mhdawson]

On nodejs-foundation I think we talked about changing it but I think the agreement was that it was not worth the work required. If it had been an org that would have been different.

[mmarchini]

We should transfer the @nodejs org ownership to nodejs-foundation, we just need to figure out who owns it now. Or we could send a request to npm 😅

[bnb]

@mmarchini in the i18n issue, it's noted that we own @nodejs/ and there's pushback on using it. ref: #505

[ronag]

and there's a lot of pushback on using it. ref: #505

I wouldn't say there is a lot of pushback. There are some questions and opinions on the matter and could be worth further discussing.

[mmarchini]

Either way, we should transfer the nodejs org on npm to the nodejs-foundation account, regardless of how we're going to use it

[bnb]

@ronag edited my phrasing 👍🏻

[tniessen]

We should transfer the @nodejs org ownership to nodejs-foundation, we just need to figure out who owns it now. Or we could send a request to npm 😅

I think @ChALkeR owns @nodejs, but I am not quite sure.

[ChALkeR]

@tniessen On npm? I don't.
I recommend contacting npm, Inc. support for that, I think?

Also, +1 to the transfer idea.

[MylesBorins]

I am not sure who exactly own it but I can dig in.

[mmarchini]

I'll submit a transfer request to npm using the nodejs-foundation account, that's probably the fastest way to find out and get it transferred

[MylesBorins]

I've already identified the owner and started the transfer request to my personal account (didn't think about transferring to foundation account)
can update it

[MylesBorins]

I'm an owner now! (also an owner of the @node scope)

there is a nodejs-admin account on both, is that something is managing?

So the next step is to add nodejs-foundation as an admin?

[mmarchini]

I believe so, yeah

[MylesBorins]

I've invited nodejs-foundation to both the @node and @nodejs scopes

[mmarchini]

@rvagg @mhdawson @jbergstroem y'all should've received an invite for the nodejs-foundation npm account to join the orgs above. The invite was sent to [email protected].

[mcollina]

Can I get access? I would like to add readable-stream as well.

[mmarchini]

I think it makes sense to add everyone from TSC (or everyone who wants to) as admins to the orgs (and maybe add it as part of our onboarding/offboarding)

[rvagg]

I got 3 invites in my email but they all lead to 404s. Maybe just let me know if I need to npm owner add anything?

[mmarchini]

The links probably expired, or you need to be logged in as nodejs-foundation on npm for the links to work. I don't think you can use npm owner add to add the nodejs-foundation account as owner of the nodejs org unless you rvagg is an owner of the org (which is not the case, Myles is the owner now).

[MylesBorins]

you can have multiple owners. I've escalated rvagg to also be an owner. There are still invites out for nodejs-foundation

[mhdawson]

I can try to log in as nodejs-foundation a bit later to try to resolve that side of things.

[mhdawson]

Still on my TODO list.

[mmarchini]

I can do this tomorrow after the build infra onboarding.

Also, for whoever ends up doin this, it's probably worth to coordinate with Myles via Slack so he can re-send the invite (suggesting Slack because real-time communication might make this easier).

[mhdawson]

@mmarchini if you are going to do this let me know, otherwise I might try to schedule a time with Myles on Friday to do it.

[mhdawson]

Got Myles to resend and the nodejs-foundation npm use is now a member of the node organisation. I terms of owners I think it makes sense for a number of TSC members (or all to be the owners).

[MylesBorins]

please add me

[mmarchini]

please add me too :)

[mhdawson]

I'm confused by the please add me from @MylesBorins as I thought he was the one who would be adding people ?

[mhdawson]

primarily based on #545 (comment)

[mhdawson]

please add me too :)

[MylesBorins]

@mhdawson I misunderstood, I thought you meant to add more people to the nodejs-foundation org 😂

[mhdawson]

@MylesBorins there is no nodejs-foundation org. It is simply a user which we add as a backup to be able to add/manage collaborators on Node.js packages in case the other collaborators are no longer available.

[mmarchini]

This is the current membership of the nodejs org on npm:

[mhdawson]

@mmarchini thanks for grabbing it. I think it should be likely be the TSC or subset as owners.

[MylesBorins]

@mhdawson was is your current up to date npm account?

[mhdawson]

mhdawson1

[mmarchini]

I believe this can be closed?