Laragon 7.0.0

[leokhoa]

Laragon - The Dev Environment for Entrepreneurs v7.0 2025
Note: Starting from this version, a license is required to use Laragon. This change allows me to prioritize support for users who contribute financially to the continued growth of Laragon.

New features:

• Auto backup: Laragon 2025 will auto backup data dir every 1 hour and keep 5 recent backups.
• Profile: Laragon 2025 introduces the Profile feature, allowing you to create multiple environments with different versions. You can easily add and switch between environments via Menu > Profile
• The default pretty URL will be {name}.localhost. This eliminates the need to modify the hosts file in Laragon, enhancing security. This simplifies multi-tenancy development by allowing multiple subdomains (e.g., tenant1.app.localhost, tenant2.app.localhost, tenant3.app.localhost,...) to route to the same application code of app.localhost, with each subdomain representing a different tenant.
• Enhanced Tool > Path > Add Laragon to Path: When you add Laragon to the Path (so you can call all service inside Laragon system-wide), it will automatically update the Path whenever a service version or profile is changed.

Update:

1. Update PHP 8.3.14
2. Update Node 22.12
3. Update MySQL 8.4.3
4. Update Apache 2.4.62
5. Update Nginx 1.27.3
6. Update Composer 2.8.4
7. Update HeidiSQL 12.8
8. Update Ngrok 3.8.14
9. Update Python 3.13
10. Update Git 2.47.1

Numerous bug fixes and improvements, enabling you to easily add new services to Laragon via Tools > Quick Add
usr\package.conf

# PHP
# https://windows.php.net/download/
# NTS = Non Thread Safe
*PHP-8.4=https://windows.php.net/downloads/releases/php-8.4.1-nts-Win32-vs17-x64.zip
*PHP-8.3=https://windows.php.net/downloads/releases/php-8.3.14-nts-Win32-vs16-x64.zip
*PHP-8.2=https://windows.php.net/downloads/releases/php-8.2.26-nts-Win32-vs16-x64.zip
*PHP-8.1=https://windows.php.net/downloads/releases/php-8.1.31-nts-Win32-vs16-x64.zip
---


# Node.js
# https://nodejs.org/en/download/prebuilt-binaries/current
node-23=https://nodejs.org/dist/v23.4.0/node-v23.4.0-win-x64.zip
node-22=https://nodejs.org/dist/v22.12.0/node-v22.12.0-win-x64.zip
---


# phpMyAdmin
# After download, visit -> http://localhost/phpmyadmin
phpmyadmin=https://files.phpmyadmin.net/phpMyAdmin/5.2.1/phpMyAdmin-5.2.1-all-languages.zip

# DB Tools
DBeaver=https://dbeaver.io/files/dbeaver-ce-latest-win32.win32.x86_64.zip
# Menu > Tools > DBeaver
---

# MySQL
# https://dev.mysql.com/downloads/mysql/
mysql-9.1=https://dev.mysql.com/get/Downloads/MySQL-9.1/mysql-9.1.0-winx64.zip
mysql-8.4=https://dev.mysql.com/get/Downloads/MySQL-8.4/mysql-8.4.3-winx64.zip
mysql-8.0=https://dev.mysql.com/get/Downloads/MySQL-8.0/mysql-8.0.40-winx64.zip
mysql-5.7=https://dev.mysql.com/get/Downloads/MySQL-5.7/mysql-5.7.39-winx64.zip
---


# PostgreSQL
# https://www.enterprisedb.com/download-postgresql-binaries
postgresql-17.2=https://sbp.enterprisedb.com/getfile.jsp?fileid=1259294
postgresql-16.6=https://sbp.enterprisedb.com/getfile.jsp?fileid=1259297
postgresql-15.10=https://sbp.enterprisedb.com/getfile.jsp?fileid=1259300
---


# MongoDB 
# https://www.mongodb.com/try/download/community
#mongodb-8=https://fastdl.mongodb.org/windows/mongodb-windows-x86_64-8.0.4.zip
#mongodb-7=https://fastdl.mongodb.org/windows/mongodb-windows-x86_64-7.0.14.zip


---
# VS Code
code=https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?Linkid=850641

---
# Golang
# https://go.dev/dl/
golang-1.23=https://go.dev/dl/go1.23.4.windows-amd64.zip

# Pocketbase
# https://github.com/pocketbase/pocketbase/releases
pocketbase=https://github.com/pocketbase/pocketbase/releases/download/v0.23.7/pocketbase_0.23.7_windows_amd64.zip

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This discussion was created from the release Laragon 7.0.0.

[husnilkhatimi]

Awesome ! Havent got time to try it now, but so excited 👍

[dustinatx]

What are the details for the license?

[Sophist-UK]

1. v6 is still a free forever tool.
2. Situations change, and Leo can change his mind about whether v7+ is free or not.

But several of us are working to try to get a decent deal for non-commercial users, and help Leo to structure this in a way that is beneficial both to him and the existing community of enthusiastic supporters and contributors.

[Lexian-droid]

While that it is true, I am concerned about the future of v6, since the binary is not open source, we can't go in and fix issues or make our own forks unless we make our binaries, for say a critical program like apache changes it's filenames, that means laragon v6 would be unable to run apache, whilst still being a very unlikely thing, still proves to be a warranted thing to worry about, and at that point, I don't thing Leo will fix it, as I think he said he wasn't, which basically means Laragon v6 would be dead at that point.

[alxndr-w]

@Lexian-droid I'll discuss that scenario with Leo, I already thought about different options to suggest. Don't worry.

[Sophist-UK]

This discussion has already been had. The source code for the executable has never been open source, and there is no reason that @leokhoa needs to make it open source or indeed any reason that he should do so. v6 is what it is and development has ceased on this version. If v6 ceases to meet your needs, then you are free to move elsewhere, but obviously Leo should try to retain his enthusiastic and loyal v6 users if he can by getting them to move to v7, and that means having a low-cost, community supported license for non-commercial users.

We are all concerned about the future of Laragon - but my concern is whether Leo has the time to deal with all the technical stuff he needs to do to make Laragon a professional chargeable product, and whether he also has the time (and skills) to do all the non-technical activities (like customer service and marketing/communications/PR and strategising and administration) that he now has to do.

From my perspective, the open source benefits will derive from allowing the community to assist him with scripting etc. the services, adding new server options, helping with documentation, being beta testers etc. and giving input on what the executable needs to do. It will predominantly non-commercial users who will do these things - and open source for the executable itself is less important.

[JMoodyFWD]

While that it is true, I am concerned about the future of v6, since the binary is not open source, we can't go in and fix issues or make our own forks unless we make our binaries, for say a critical program like apache changes it's filenames, that means laragon v6 would be unable to run apache, whilst still being a very unlikely thing, still proves to be a warranted thing to worry about, and at that point, I don't thing Leo will fix it, as I think he said he wasn't, which basically means Laragon v6 would be dead at that point.

@Lexian-droid I wouldn't expect any further updates for v6 going forward, not even security-related. Commit #1007 updates the security readme to say we should report security issues, though v6 was specifically marked as unsupported for "EOL (End-of-Life)". 🤷

[ahmeti]

Great job! @leokhoa

[Thebys]

Great news! 🎉 I've bought a lifetime license right away for $181.49 including tax. However I've entered the key first time asked, but it asks me on every start and says the license key has reached activations limit 🤔 ... Thankfully it runs unlicensed as well, that's a relief.

[leokhoa]

@Thebys: Wow, thank you so much. 1 license is valid for 1 device. I have increased activation limit to your license. Please try again.

[ppfoong]

Hope that 1 license can be for 1 user, at least 2 devices.

I believe most developers are having more than one devices, typically at least 1 desktop and 1 laptop.

[beyonddezign]

I also bought a license but i d/l the laragon file instead of the laragon-wamp file and activated it before doing the install, now when i do the full install it tells me activation limit how do i get around this?

[dustinatx]

What are the steps to upgrade from 6.0?

[leokhoa]

Please check: #931 (comment)

[leokhoa]

Upgrading to Laragon 7:

1. Back up your current Laragon by copying it to another directory (this allows you to roll back if needed).
2. Install Laragon 7 by overwriting your current installation directory.

[lelinhtinh]

If I reinstall my device or upgrade the OS version, for example, from Windows 10 to 11, will the license become invalid?

[b0rd1]

Up, if I format my computer, will I need to purchase a new license, or can I reactivate the existing one?

[MackSix]

Up, if I format my computer, will I need to purchase a new license, or can I reactivate the existing one?

When you purchase, you get a receipt that has a link to manage your license. You can deactivate it, then install Laragon on another computer and activate it again.

[b0rd1]

Thanks, I bought the license and it’s just as you say

[ppfoong]

Thanks for your effort and great work, @leokhoa

Some comment on v7.0 after I tried out in my laptop:

1. License: hope that it is per user base, which can tie up with our email address. One user 2 devices. For lifetime license, the device(s) of same user can be changed but maintained as maximum 2. This is because every few years, we will upgrade/replace our old devices. Computers have their lifespan.

2. I put my projects under laragon/www/ folder, eg.:

/laragon/www/website1
/laragon/www/website2
/laragon/www/website3

Previously, I can access them using:
http://localhost/website1
http://localhost/website2
http://localhost/website3

but now they can no longer be accessed with index.php as default. I can only access them using:
http://localhost/website1/index.php
http://localhost/website2/index.php
http://localhost/website3/index.php

Anyhow, /laragon/www/index.php can still be accessed as default by URL http://localhost .

3. The MySQL databases are not copied over to the new mysql-8.0. They are still in the old folder mysql-8. When you access to the MySQL database after upgrade, you will see all your project databases gone due to this. I am using MySQL 8.0.37 in v6.

4. Can't find any config for the auto backup every hour. Hope that this can be user configurable, probably with Tools > Cron > cronical.dat so that we can enable/disable it and also determine on its backup intervals. Every hour is too excessive for me and could reduce the lifespan of my SSD.

I already use GitHub Desktop to sync my codes with GitHub and across devices with fetches and commits at anytime when I reached a milestone. So I probably don't need Laragon to do auto backup that often as every hour.

5. The Mail Catcher and Mail Sender tabs are disappeared in v7.

[Chlitzxer]

@leokhoa what is the license cost? Can you share a link where explain the cost of license?

[husnilkhatimi]

License sales page : https://laragon.lemonsqueezy.com

[MackSix]

Why are we supposed to believe that is a real link to buy a license?

[husnilkhatimi]

Why are we supposed to believe that is a real link to buy a license?

You don't have to believe it. Just install the latest Laragon, and click on 'Get License Key' you will get the URL yourself. Please share your findings.

[MackSix]

Why are we supposed to believe that is a real link to buy a license?

You don't have to believe it. Just install the latest Laragon, and click on 'Get License Key' you will get the URL yourself. Please share your findings.

There is no "Get License Key" presented to me or anywhere I can find.

[MackSix]

Why are we supposed to believe that is a real link to buy a license?

You don't have to believe it. Just install the latest Laragon, and click on 'Get License Key' you will get the URL yourself. Please share your findings.

There is no "Get License Key" presented to me or anywhere I can find.

The problem is 120% display scaling causes the link to be clipped off on the dialog box.

[jauhari]

How to update from 6.x to 7.x?

[MGeurts]

So there's no way to test LARAGON 7 before paying?
Can we use multiple PHP versions at the same time, on a per project basis as does LARAVAL HERD?
Why the restriction to one machine per license?

[MackSix]

I click the x button on the prompt to enter license and it works. You have to click the x when it runs and again when you try to start services.

[MGeurts]

And then you can test the application? Start the services?

[MackSix]

Yes

[Sophist-UK]

But is this legal or are you committing some sort of copyright offence for running it without a license? Since the detailed license terms don't exist, the default is "no-license, no usage". It is neither legal nor moral to try this software out in these circumstances, though it seems doubtful that anyone is going to track you down and drag you into court for doing it.

[MackSix]

But is this legal or are you committing some sort of copyright offence for running it without a license? Since the detailed license terms don't exist, the default is "no-license, no usage". It is neither legal nor moral to try this software out in these circumstances, though it seems doubtful that anyone is going to track you down and drag you into court for doing it.

The "Get License Key" does not show for me because of 120% display scaling and I reported this bug for free. I am sure it is appreciated that I am saving potentialy lost sales becasue of this. If the intent was not to allow people to click the x and use it anway, leokhoa should take this relesase down and fix it. If he is not aware of this, I am sure it is appreciated that I brought this up. I thought that it was a nag screen and only licensed users get support.

[boberski666]

My license deactivated by itself and I cannot reactivate it. @leokhoa Can you please fix it? My email is [email protected].

[leokhoa]

Sure, thank you your purchase. I have sent you a Slack link.

[Sophist-UK]

Firstly let me state for the record that this is @leokhoa's software and he can do with it what he likes. If he wants to charge for it, that is his right (regardless of any contrary views from me or anyone else). That doesn't mean that personally I think it is something he should do - but personal opinions don't change that he has the right to do with it as he likes.

That said, here is my analysis of the economics of the license changes and my personal opinions about these changes:

Income

If @leokhoa Leo is going to make a living from this, he has to be looking to fully replace his current income and benefits as "Head of DevOps for a fast growing SaaS company" - and as someone who was a self employed IT person for 15 years I would think that he would have to make a minimum of 100k€ per year.

The current price in Euros is $50 per year or $150 lifetime and LemonSqueezy take 5% so the net result in EUR at today's exchange rate is 45€ or 135€ - so Leo would have to have 2,250 subscribers or sell 740 lifetime licenses per year or a mixture of the two.

According to Github, Laragon v6 had 1,506,339 downloads for the "wamp" installer and 12,213 downloads for the smaller portable executable in the 2 years since it was released (which was way way way more than I was expecting given the level of chatter in these discussions). Assuming that 10% of these converted into active installs, and only 10% of these convert to paid licenses, that would mean c. 15,180 paid licenses of one type or the other which is c. 7x more than needed to make the 100k€ per year.

Obviously there are some huge assumptions about the proportions converting to paid licenses, and despite assuming that only 1% of downloads turn into paid licenses I am still sceptical that this is one or two orders of magnitude to high, but on this basis it looks very positive 🎆 🍾 🍰 👍 👑 and I wish Leo well with his life choice to rely on Laragon for his income.

Value for Money

Looking now at value for money, for any commercial development, I think the price point is very fair by comparison to the costs of paying someone to create and maintain the development environment or compared to the salary of the person using it.

But personally, I am retired on a fixed income, and I am trying to create an open source package, and if I paid $150 for every piece of small software I needed I wouldn't be able to buy food. I also a string advocate of the open source movement, and generally prefer Open Source solutions, though I don't let that rule me if there are no open source alternatives. I suspect that many many hobbyists may have similar thoughts, and decide they are not going to pay this amount.

That said, I thought I would take a look and see whether the new functionality would nevertheless justify the costs for me...

What I expect vs what we got

• Laragon v6 is still free, and there is a free alternative in FlyEnv so v7 needs to justify its price.
• The cost is not small enough to be an impulse purchase.
• I ran the portable version and quite literally the first thing I tried caused it to crash!!!
  
  
• I installed the wamp version and appropriate security settings were not applied to the installation directory (because default settings for new folders are inaccessible on that drive).
• With Laragon 6 I had the opportunity NOT to install Notepad++ (which I already have installed so I don't want the Laragon version added) but now I don't have that option. This alone is a deal breaker for me.
• The terms of the license are not stated anywhere. This is a show stopper because I cannot know if I am going to break the license even when I evaluate the functionality without a license. In addition there are no Ts&Cs displayed in the installer that I need to accept to do the installation.
• The UI immediately asks for a license on the first execution, and there is no grace period given to users to evaluate the product before paying. Yes, you can click the close box and use it, but 1) that is not obvious, and 2) in the absence of a an explicit license you have to assume that doing this and continuing to use the product is illegal.
• Leo is still working full time and not yet focused solely on this. And the history of support when he has a full time job is - unfortunately - not great. Yes - of course his wife's pregnancy and new baby have taken a high priority, but only for the last year or so - there was apparently zero development done in 2023? And since he still has his family and a new baby (and many of us know just how much time a new baby takes for at least the first year) and still has a full-time job, what is the development and support going to be like in 2025? Sadly, I can see no reason to think that things will be better in the short term - we are simply being asked to pay now for something that was previously free without any reasonable expectation for development and support being any better.
• Leo's communications have not been great either - he could have said months ago that the new version would be chargeable, but instead he kept it secret until launch.
• Similarly Leo is breaking his word by starting to charge for it (this doesn't stop him having the right). The Laragon web site FAQs still says "Is Laragon free? Yes, it is forever free. Why Laragon is free? Because I feel happy when developing Laragon than making money. It’s true :)":
  
• I appreciate that there is a chicken/egg situation here - he can't provide professional effort until he has an income stream, and he needs to start charging in order to create an income stream, but from a customer perspective I would expect some professionalism for a chargeable product, which is not the case. For example, I am being asked to pay for professional levels of support when it is still not available, and despite now being a chargeable product, the executables are not code signed:
  
  A user will need to know to click More info to find out they can actually install this, and many will give up at this first hurdle.

But most of all...

• There just doesn't seem to be enough new functionality to justify moving from free v6 to paid v7 or indeed to justify a 2 year wait, and the quality issues are very worrying for a paid product. Most of this I could add myself or install the Laragonzo v6 build. I would guess that most people coming new to Laragon will just go for the latest version and pay up, but I suspect that once there is some feedback from early adopters, quite a lot of users will think about sticking with v6.
• Given that Leo is really asking for an act of faith here - buy a paid license now so that when enough of us do that he can quit his current job and have the time to develop and support Laragon properly - this lack of new functionality after 2 years is not IMO a good indicator. And IMO this is also a great example of why open source levering a community is better than a one-man-band. Sorry Leo, but that is how I see it.

In the words of Dragons' Den, "I'm out!" I am now going to evaluate the Laragonzo v6 build and FreeEnv and choose between them so I can get on with my project.

[Sophist-UK]

I find it hard to believe your intentions. Manipulating Laragon to force errors and flooding my announcements with discouraging messages doesn’t help anyone.

My intentions are now and have always been straight forward. We offered you help, advice, even to host a forum and you ignored us. We did try to tell you that this was a bad idea but you ignored us.

My review above was a straight forward account of my own experiences. I didn't "manipulate" anything to force errors, I just clicked on a menu exactly as shown in the screen shots. If you didn't test the app properly, that is hardly either me manipulating it or forcing errors. I am simply saying-it-as-I-find-it.

And I am not discouraging anyone - I am describing my own experiences and my own conclusions. It was you who decided that Laragon should now be a paid-for product, and I set my expectations accordingly and described where my experiences with the product didn't meet my reasonable expectations for a paid product. (Had it still been free, my expectations would have been different, but if I am going to pay for something I have a perfectly reasonable expectation for reasonable quality.) If other people decide that they agree with me, that is a consequence of your actions not mine. Take ownership of the mess that you have created.

But as I have said several times, I am not unsympathetic and IMO it is not too late to reconsider and choose an alternative strategy. The community wanted to help you and if you change your strategy now, people will probably return and still be willing to help. But continue down this road and I fear that you won't have a community willing to help or to buy licenses.

(See also how Freenode, an IRC chat host with 90k active users, that lost their entire userbase in a matter of weeks. See also OpenOffice which was forked into LibreOffice and lost a large chunk of its userbase. See also Mambo that was forked and became Joomla. See also Fabrik, a Joola extension that eventually imploded. History is a guide to avoiding making the same mistakes. It is still not too late for Laragon, IMO.)

[MGeurts]

After using Laragon for free for many years, you chose to promote another software on my announcement.

@leokhoa
Not promote, just explain my descision.
BTW, I have promoted Laragon for years on my own channel at https://www.kreaweb.be/.

[Sophist-UK]

After using Laragon for free for many years, you chose to promote another software on my announcement. The performance difference you mentioned comes from Herd using Nginx, while Laragon uses Apache by default to support legacy PHP applications. Herd supports both Apache and Nginx like Laragon? I guess no.

@leokhoa Leo, I really suggest you stop blaming users when they state why they are unhappy they are with the decision you made. It does not come across well.

Since you brought up Herd, I'll highlight the many areas where Laragon outperforms it in an article, so others aren't misled. Once I'm able to work full-time on Laragon, its performance will improve even further.

If you think technical performance is the issue here, then you really really REALLY are not listening. Multiple users are stating bluntly that they are leaving because of the costs, lack of development and quality - no one is leaving because of performance.

And when exactly will you be able to work full-time on Laragon? People here are saying that you have put the cart before the horse - i.e. that you needed to start charging ONLY when you had done all this development you keep talking about.

All the indications are that you have made a major mistake with this. Please start listening.

[luisAntonioLAGS]

FlyEnv is great! but I still prefer laragon v6.

[sharazy]

I find it hard to believe your intentions. Manipulating Laragon to force errors and flooding my announcements with discouraging messages doesn’t help anyone.

My intentions are now and have always been straight forward. We offered you help, advice, even to host a forum and you ignored us. We did try to tell you that this was a bad idea but you ignored us.

My review above was a straight forward account of my own experiences. I didn't "manipulate" anything to force errors, I just clicked on a menu exactly as shown in the screen shots. If you didn't test the app properly, that is hardly either me manipulating it or forcing errors. I am simply saying-it-as-I-find-it.

I feel saddened by how Laragon change its stance to become 'premium' tool. This is how Oracle messed up many of its open source projects.

I'm fully agree with @Sophist-UK points. Laragon's business model is still unclear. What Unique Selling Points will Laragon delivers to make v7 worth every penny spent.

@leokhoa , if your demographic only targets US Dollars, I doubt Laragon is for everyone anymore. Along with its subscription plan (and unclear milestone of what Laragon will become).

Why not selling service and premium stuff along with free to use v7 instead?

[cgdmohamed]

I suggest create a donation link, let's collaborate supporting this awesome project

[alxndr-w]

#383

• https://laragon.org/donate/
• https://github.com/sponsors/leokhoa?o=sd&sc=github

Looks like not enough people did.

[Sophist-UK]

@alxndr-w Alexander

Actually there are two ways to look at this...

From Leo's perspective, there almost certainly weren't enough donations to substitute for his salary in full time employment, so we can fully understand his desire to find a way to increase his income. He could, for example, have made the effort to check that those people donating money didn't have open PRs or issues. He could have done more advertising - he could have put a donation link in the app. He could have moved to a chargeable product in a different way.

But what he actually did was:

• Deliver literally nothing extra to the donors or the community as a whole as a response to the donations he did receive.
• Not give those people who made financial donations any credit when it came to the chargeable license - what a kick in the teeth that must have been for people who perhaps have donated more than the $50 needed to get a 1 year license.

So please, whilst we can have some empathy with Leo for wanting to switch to being a self-employed software developer, let's not lose empathy for users who have been given a raw deal.

[cgdmohamed]

I think the suggestion of buying a cup of coffee is a great idea to show appreciation for the effort put into this work. We have all used this program to secure well-paying jobs, so there’s no harm in contributing a small gesture of support to encourage the continued development of such a valuable service. A cup of coffee is a simple yet meaningful way to express our gratitude for what the creators have provided.

[Sophist-UK]

A cup of coffee is definitely a token show of appreciation, but it won't give Leo an income he can live off. Donations (of money or time) need to be a reasonable proportion of the benefit you gain from using Leo's software (minimum of 1% preferably 5%) or it is only a token gesture of thanks (which is still better than nothing).

So, if you have secured a well-paying job by using his software, how about donating 1% of your first year's salary instead??

[cgdmohamed]

i will if i could 😂

[Chlitzxer]

Leaving this amazing community with the license changes on this product, I wish you the best.

[adinata-id]

we'll miss you so much brother :)

[picasso2000]

Personally, I think this price is ridiculous. less than $150 I paid for a license for the entire Affinity product suite.
In addition, Laragon is not a standalone product, it uses components such as Apache, PHP, MYSQL, which are offered free of charge.
Unfortunately, in this situation I will say goodbye to Laragon. I will stay with version 6 for as long as possible, but I will start looking for an alternative, especially since it is not an irreplaceable project.
Sometimes it's good to eat with a smaller spoon and rely on the number of users. Because more people would pay a lower price and there would be no distaste and surprise. And the price that was set surprised me a lot, especially when I compare it to the commercial software with full support and updates.
If it was a fully standalone product from A to Z, I would still understand, meanwhile Apache, Mysql, PHP and many other extensions are free, and this is what Laragon is based on.

[alxndr-w]

less than $150 I paid for a license for the entire Affinity product suite

the market of Affinity is much much much broader. It's ridiculous to compare laragon to Affinity.

[picasso2000]

less than $150 I paid for a license for the entire Affinity product suite

the market of Affinity is much much much broader. It's ridiculous to compare laragon to Affinity.

This is an example. I showed the price disparity. Laragon is not a fully self-contained environment. It relies on external components that are free i.e. PHP, MYSQL, Apache, for example.
Laragon is not a product that is irreplaceable. Therefore, if the author has already decided on a paid variant, it is worth thinking about what the market looks like and how many users will be willing to pay $150. But well, it's not my decision. I myself was waiting for Laragon 7, I am no longer waiting. The conditions have been presented.

[Sophist-UK]

Here are a few more comparisons:

• Microsoft Office Home $150
• Adobe Photoshop Premier Elements $33 per year

Whilst Laragon may have a much smaller market than these, it has a tiny tony fraction of the size of functionality too.

Nevertheless, for an enterprise business, this price might make sense when you include the support, but for a hobbyist etc. it is way too high.

But my biggest gripe is still that you pay through the nose in a vague hope that one day Leo will make enough money to quit his full time job and provide the product enhancements and support that this price demands. Unless you have money to burn, who is going to pay that amount up front with only an optimistic hope that things will improve some day?

I still believe Leo would be better off:

1. Offering Laragon 7 at an impulse purchase, don't-think-twice price and get almost all existing users to buy a license. (Giving a free license to anyone who donated at least that much voluntarily for v6 or earlier and a refund to everyone who bought v7 at the higher price.)

2. Engaging with the community to get ideas and votes about what enhancements are needed.

3. Focussing on core Laragon executable functionality, and delegating evolution of all functionality around 3rd party products to the community by providing interfaces to configurable ini files and scripts that can be used to do define menus and do all sorts of downloading and configuring based on these.

[alxndr-w]

It's really comparing apples and oranges which annoys me.

A product with a global market for nearly everybody who works professionally in a big company with synergy (Windows, M365, after sales services, ...) vs. one person that has to continue developing while supporting while doing marketing, check payments... Am I the only one with solo-self employed experience?

Compare the value of Laragon to XAMPP: What is the damage (in time) of fixing a corrupted database or spending hours upgrading Apache or PHP and migrating projects manually. For me, it was about 30h per year. Minimum.

What is the damage (in time) to switch to another system like Herde, WSL2, (manually managing all services), EasyPHP (does it even exist anymore?) without support all by yourself?

I know that not everybody has these experiences with XAMPP. But I'm done with it. Solving this mess has a value (to me).

It's not about offering services like free instruments what Laragon solves. It's the small orchestra.

So we can compare Laragon to cars, to Adobe's subscription, to IKEA furniture. You'll find cheaper cars, Adobe alternatives, cheaper furniture. That's not how a price tag is calculated.

[Sophist-UK]

Well, I think you can look at this from one of two pricing models:

1. Cost basis - price is proportional to the amount of code that went into it - and as Leo states, the executable is 2MB in size which means that it doesn't actually have a lot of code in it c.f. Microsoft Office or Adobe Photoshop. So let's not kid ourselves here that on a Cost Pricing model this product justifies costing as much as Microsoft Office even with a much smaller market.

2. Value basis - most of the users are hobbyists and non-profits - and they cannot afford or don't want to pay that much, especially since they don't value their time the same way that a professional developer would, but then again they can support themselves / each other and they can also be a VERY valuable source for ideas or community innovations / enhancements - so you need a license that meets the needs of hobbyists or you will lose them and their evangelism, their ideas and their enthusiasm. But professionals who can value their time and want more professional product and support are prepared to pay more - and for that you can focus your development time on their needs and your support time on giving them absolute first class support - and you charge them a premium for that.

I don't know what market research Leo made before he decided on $30/$150 flat price for both hobbyists and commercial developers, but I think that the feedback here is reasonably conclusive that it is too much for hobbyists who make up the bulk of the user base.

[Mashiane]

I just read this and its very interesting. Thank you very much for your insights @Sophist-UK for providing valuable advise on a path forward. I can only hope that @leokhoa is listening.

Most of my work is front end and as much as I do back-end stuff at times, I tend to run away from the technicalities, so finding laragon a few years back was some kind of miracle. I develop my front-end and publish it easy because laragon is easy to use and I can just present to my client a working solution, they deal with the deployment on their own hardware and the likes. Problem solved. I say, "if your environment is configured like laragon, the app will work", they take it from there.

Depending on ones needs, the landscape changes and shifts. I havent used Laragon in any commercial work I have done and just use it to present working solutions, but it's still the first recommendation I tell anyone who want to have a "just working development environment" without headaches, especially for clients who want to use MySQL and other things.

The thing though, as someone who never uses MySQL in most of my products, I develop and publish my commercial products using PocketBase now. A simple conversation is, why was SupaBase created? People were running away from a costly FireBase. There is always a cause and effect when prices get assigned to things, and threading carefully on that front is of paramount importance. People only pay for things they need.

If peoples needs will be satisfied with Laragon V6 and less, why would they move to V7 and pay for it? They wont. If 10% of the current user base are professional Laragon users who want and need more and 90% are hobbyist, satisfying that 10% is very important and it should be value for money and nothing less. Then again, we dont know how many people in terms of volume we are talking about here. #My two cents

[Sophist-UK]

@leokhoa Leo: Apparently you are still not listening (despite having thanked me several times for giving you insight) - this response clearly shows that you STILL DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE ISSUES.

1. The community doesn't want each of us to have to work out how to download a new version of product X and integrate it into the Laragon environment. We want to be able for the first of us to work out how to do it and then easily to create a PR to add it into Laragon. Or to create PRs for minor tweaks (and I have a long long list of these). We want to be part of the innovation process. LET US HELP YOU.

2. We do NOT want you to tell us about Postgres and SaaS. We don't want you to tell us anything about what we want!!!! We know what we need today and we either want Laragon already to provide it, or we want to integrate it into Laragon for our own benefit and share that so that everyone else in the community can benefit too. STOP TELLING US and START LISTENING.

3. It doesn't matter that you are asking for a one time payment (which believe me you will come to regret in the same way you are now regretting promising that it would be free forever), but it matters a LOT when the price for the one-time payment is way way way too high for the bulk of your existing (non-commercial) users. And it matters a huge amount that the price bears ZERO relationship to the amount of your added value in the product and so looks VERY poor value for money. And it matters even more that v7 is not that competitive cf. free competitors. And putting it bluntly, people are NOT going to pay you for functionality that you are promising to deliver by yourself in the future when right now your track record of delivery is so poor. FIX YOUR PRICING BEFORE YOUR EVANGELISTS AND INFLUENCERS AND ENTHUSIASTIC USERS ARE GONE FOR GOOD.

We don't want to wait for you to decide that you are going to put something we need today on your to-do list for delivery at some point in the future (maybe). We want you to work with us to create a market leading, easy to use, fully up to date environment with all the latest stuff - and I mean LATEST i.e. became available last week, not latest stuff announced a year ago and only just coming into production use.

What you need to focus on is:

1. Fixing the pricing issue for non-commercial users;
2. Engaging with the community to create a shared vision;
3. Building the flexibility into the Laragon executable so that we the community can innovate using it;
4. Enabling the community to help in as many other ways as possible.
5. Do any stuff that the community cannot do, or that the community doesn't get around to that you think needs to happen.

However, in the several weeks since many of us have been spending our valuable time TRYING TO HELP YOU, you have done NOTHING, zilch, ZERO, nada to demonstrate that you have actually been listening, that you understand our concerns, and that you want to do anything about it. And even the most enthusiastic of us who are trying so hard to persuade you are going to lose patience and give up if you don't change soon.

Work with us and Laragon can be a massive success - carry on with your current strategy and you it is my belief that you will fail and Laragon will die.

So I am begging you, PLEASE, start to ENGAGE better with the community, DISCUSS with us how you might do things differently, LISTEN to what we are saying, and CHANGE your approach.

[imaxenio]

@leokhoa I think you are not listening to or understanding your community.
I'm not worried, I don't want refunds for your project or for the open source components that you include in which I may have collaborated or donated, ...I love supporting the projects that I like and collaborating if the code is free and open source, and supporting them and recommend them.
It is your reputation, credibility and your image that is at stake with this move to a paid license, ... in my humble opinion, I think you are going to lose many more by charging for a license, than the reputation you were gaining with your project in the community.
And the worst of all is that every time you try to justify yourself, you contradict yourself. You want to justify to me as a kindness that I myself can update the versions of the components at no additional cost by editing the Laragon configuration file manually. So... why are we going to pay for a license if you don't do it automatically and I have to update the program and components manually? …you realize that it doesn't make any sense. Where is Laragon's value contribution to justify the license price you want to impose?
I think you are going to break a community and you are going to lose all credibility and respect that you have earned for your good work so far, and I feel very sorry for you, and I have already seen this in other projects and you are going down the same path, and I'm telling you it's not going to end well if you go that way.
It is your project and your work, I am not the one to tell you what to do, I fully respect what you do, you have all my respect, but I think this change of course will harm you more than the benefits it will bring you.

[ppfoong]

@imaxenio: With Laragon, you have the freedom to easily add and use the latest versions of PHP, Apache, and MySQL - all on your own, with no extra cost for upgrades. It also makes working with Postgres 15, 16, or 17 a breeze. I guess Laragon will work well with future versions of Postgres. I'll be sharing some helpful articles about Postgres soon since it's such a powerful database, especially for building SaaS applications. When you choose Laragon Lifetime, it's a one-time payment-no future costs, no hidden fees. You freely upgrade to newer versions of Laragon with no cost. If you've made a donation, don't worry, you'll be refunded. Stay tuned for an announcement about licensing. I'll be sharing more details soon.

Some ideas on Laragon's development:

1. Provide the latest 5 versions of each components (PHP, Apache, MySQL, ...) in config file. For paid version, this config file can be auto-updated to latest version from a hosting server by periodic auto-checking and/or manually click on a "update" button. For free version, user need to manually update the config file themselves, or wait for next major release to get the updated config file in the package.

2. Provide some modern environment setup at a mouse click. Something like the existing Quick Add function, but this is to install all the latest version of the components of the selected environment at one click.

Example of environments:

• traditional Apache-MySQL-PHP stack
• Apache-PostgreSQL-PHP stack
• PHP stack with composer installed
• PHP stack with Laravel installed
• Node.js stack with MySQL/PostgreSQL
• Node.js stack with Mongodb
• Node.js stack with Firebase
• Nestjs stack
• Angular stack
• Python flask stack
• Python Django stack
• Ruby on Rails stack
• .....

3. For each of the environment stacks above, maintain a library of common and useful library functions that can be deployed at a mouse click. Such library as:

• Multi-factor authentication
• API login with existing Google/Facebook/Microsoft account
• Captcha
• QR code / barcode generation
• Graphing and data statistic tools
• CRUD and pagination
• PDF file generation
• Import/Export to Excel file
• Mail merge
• ...

4. Integration with gitHub, such as creation of project repository in gitHub at a mouse click after new project created locally. Include GitHub Desktop as a bundled tool.

5. Provide project sync function to sync local files to (staging/testing/UAT) server using SSH or SFTP.

6. Provide mass deployment tool to sync project to multiple production servers, with support to AWS, Azure, GCP, etc.

7. Provide unit test, simulated stress test function.

8. Provide dummy data generation for database, such as random names, random address, random phone numbers, etc.

[alxndr-w]

9. Call it "Laragon Bloatware Edition".

[leokhoa]

@Sophist-UK: I don't have your email or Telegram. Please join me on Discord: https://discord.gg/qnNbReDy

[Dreamless2]

Laragon now is not free?

If realy not, but i will uninstall it. After years using this good tool, i will return to wamp or xampp; the final price for annual and/or lifetime are very expensive in the Brazil.

[Sophist-UK]

To be objective about this, whilst exchange rates and the local value of local currency do have an impact (i.e. local prices perhaps should probably be relative to e.g. the local cost of buying food), IMO the big issue here is not this but rather that the price is simply too high for the marginal functionality delivered.

However, the issue with charging a local price is this: suppose the Brazillian price were the equivalent of $50 to reflect local cost of living, then e.g. a user in the US could shop around and decide to buy the license in Brazilian Reals rather than USD, and pay for it with his US Credit Card which will automatically convert dollars to Reals to pay for it, and they will then get the license for a credit card cost of (say) $55 instead of $100.

The real answer I believe is to have a more reasonable pricing model that reflects value and competition i.e. a low price non-commercial, community supported license, and a higher-price commercial Leo supported license - and I think this would go a long way to making the license more affordable in Brazil etc.

[leokhoa]

Hi everyone,

I've published a more detailed explanation about why I'm transitioning to a paid licensing model: here.

The good news is that I've received a lot of support from the community, and what I've earned so far exceeds the combined total of annual sponsorships and donations. Please note that: I haven't even updated the paid version of Laragon on the official website (which has a lot of downloads) yet, and users can still access Laragon by simply closing the license popup.

However, I find @Sophist-UK’s comments very insightful. I don't want to create division within the Laragon community, so I'd appreciate some time to work on an update that benefits everyone. Thank you for your understanding.

[husnilkhatimi]

I haven't even updated the paid version of Laragon on the official website

I think Laragon should have "Update checker" function to automatically check for latest release. So once user start using v7, user always get notified if a new version available. It doesn't has to be auto-update, some user might worry about breaking changes, a simple popup might suffice.

[gitizen1]

However, I find @Sophist-UK’s comments very insightful. I don't want to create division within the Laragon community, so I'd appreciate some time to work on an update that benefits everyone. Thank you for your understanding.

Amen!

[Lexian-droid]

I'll be honest, I can't afford it. I think it would be vastly more beneficial to have an "Open source license" which would be a license that restricts you to develop only open source software, for example, you license out the app to projects like Laravel (OSS License-per-project), or a "Limited license" which would be a license that limits your company to use laragon if it makes more then a certain amount of money every year, you'd require them to pay for the perpetual license, or the monthly license. (This is what Unity is doing)

Me personally, I'm not a large company, and I don't make much money in general, I'm making web apps to show my portfolio, and making them open source, yes, I do also try to make money in some things, but their not "Big money ventures" when I make a project, I at least want it to be self sufficient, pay for it's own bills, so that I can keep it running without needing to spend money, so essentially a "net neutral." If I do make a profit, then that would be nice, but I don't expect to make a profit, as I simply just like to make stuff. My projects are hobbies, and if I can make something at all I would be happy.

[beyonddezign]

I bought a lifetime license but i d/l the laragon file instead of the laragon-wamp file and activated it before doing the install, now when i do the full install it tells me activation limit how do i get around this? my email is [email protected]

[leokhoa]

@beyonddezign: Your activation limit has been updated. Please try again.

[beyonddezign]

Thank you!

[jarocinski]

After activation, I decided to create a DevDrive and installed on it after deleting the original installation. Unfortunately, I now have the message: This license key reached the activation limit.
:(
Michal
My email: [email protected]

[leokhoa]

@jarocinski : Tip: Laragon is portable so you can move your current one to DevDrive. Your activation limit has been increased. Please try again!

[kenstephoang]

Today I bought the lifetime key and it says "Please input a correct license key!". I'm using laragon-wamp.exe

My Email: [email protected]

[leokhoa]

@kenstephoang: I've added you to Slack. we'll help sort this out.

[leokhoa]

UPDATED:
@kenstephoang has found the issue and sorted it out. If you have a license key and are experiencing this issue, please check your firewall or antivirus settings, as they might be blocking the key authentication process.

[kenstephoang]

@leokhoa Thank you for your help.

[jothamhernandez]

Hi @leokhoa, is there a possibility that there will be a license for github sponsor?

[leokhoa]

@jothamhernandez : Definitely. I am working on this. Thanks.

[SPN-source]

@leokhoa : How can I get a refund for my LTD buy? V7.0.1: License key still not working after 2 days. SSL issues. Don't need NGINX for my goals: it is automatcally started now and can't turn it off.

I rather stick to version V6 as it works well on my pc.

Best regards,
Milan de Keijzer.

[leokhoa]

@SPN-source: I'm sorry to hear about the issues with V7.0.1. They could be related to:

• License Key issue may related to AV & Firewall:
  Laragon 7.0.0. License Key validation fails with anti-virus and/or firewall activated #959

• SSL issue is addressed and fixed in next release. You can change the domain name to {name}.test if you want to fix the issue:
  [v7.0.1] Each time I add a WordPress QuickApp, I must click "Add Laragon.crt to Trust Store" #944

• Nginx can be turned off in Menu > Prefererences > Services & Ports

If you'd like a refund, please provide your purchase receipt or order ID, and I'll process your request promptly. You can send it through the Slack channel I invited yesterday or my email address on LemonSqueezy for privacy.

Alternatively, I'd be happy to assist in resolving the issues if you'd prefer to keep using the new version. Let me know how you'd like to proceed.

[SPN-source]

Hi Leo, thanks for your response. I don't use Slack and haven't found your (business) mail address at my Lemon Squeezy account.

Can you please mail me directly at [[email protected]] ?

Best regards,
Milan.

[leokhoa]

Hi Milan, I have sent an email to you.

Best,
Leo.

[SPN-source]

Dear Leo,
It took me some time to config my WIN11 stack but I now am happy to say V7.0.1 works like a charm!
Happy with this tool as it is faster than before (V6).

It saves me so much time with WP installs as I don't need much attention to WP security now. Just a G8 firewall in .htaccess and I'm good to go: https://perishablepress.com/8g-firewall/#download

Thank you very much for your excellent and quick support.
Best regards,
Milan de Keijzer (NL).

P.S. 'ticket' closed.

[leokhoa]

Dear Mr. Milan,
Thank you so much for your kind response. It truly motivates me as I am working to become an entrepreneur like you. The path is not easy but I feel happy when reading messages like yours. Wishing you happiness and great success!

[WebAtelier47]

Hello, if I take the 1-year version, will Laragon still work after the 1 year if I do not renew? Thank you.

[leokhoa]

@WebAtelier47: Yes, Laragon will still work after 1 year. The 1-year plan gives you free updates during that time.

[WebAtelier47]

OK thanks, actually I'll take the lifetime 🙂

[WebAtelier47]

Hi, I just activated it, it works very well :-)

[imaxenio]

I still don't understand anything!!
This is getting worse... you are still insisting on the license issue, when if you would at least bother to fix the bugs and check things, the configuration file is full of bugs and errors in the URLs Laragon via Tools > Quick Add usr\package.conf
The correct data should be:

# PHP
# https://windows.php.net/download/
# NTS = Non Thread Safe
*PHP-8.4=https://windows.php.net/downloads/releases/php-8.4.3-nts-Win32-vs17-x64.zip
*PHP-8.3=https://windows.php.net/downloads/releases/php-8.3.16-nts-Win32-vs16-x64.zip
*PHP-8.2=https://windows.php.net/downloads/releases/php-8.2.27-nts-Win32-vs16-x64.zip
*PHP-8.1=https://windows.php.net/downloads/releases/php-8.1.31-nts-Win32-vs16-x64.zip
---

If you don't bother checking the paths or creating a PHP repository scraper system at:
https://windows.php.net/downloads/releases/
to keep everything automatically updated to the stable LTS versions.
And you're still determined to charge a license fee for this?
Leo, do you realize that you're being pushed into the mud and losing all credibility? I can't believe how quickly a person's image can sink. I don't think anyone believes it anymore.

[leokhoa]

@imaxenio : This issue was addressed here: #966
I have released Laragon 7.0.2 as a hotfix. It also include Non-Commercial Licenses.
I am definitely working on a permanent solution for this.

[alxndrv-alex]

It is sad to realize that such a good platform as Laragon, which wasn't well supported all past years, ended up like this with subscriptions for the same we previously had for free. Alright, I will find another tool to with with or back to Docker/VM. Thanks to Leo for the great easily extendable alternative for all those outdated tools we were working with before. Shame for the strict push to pay instead of some kind of donates to support.

[alxndr-w]

Hey @alxndrv-alex, thank you for your feedback. Have you read #960? It's explained pretty well, why this step was taken.

Also, since two years, donations were possible. I also donated. Did you? #383

[alxndrv-alex]

Hey @alxndr-w and thanks for replying. Nope, I wasn't able to donate starting from Feb 2022 as I'm living in Russia... Yeah, Leo's story explains his decision, and I understand him as I've been in a similar situation. Honestly, Laragon doesn't seem to me like software that is worth the money Leo asks for, especially if that's a subscription for 1 device (I use 3). I wish Leo could dedicate enough time for Laragon to change this soon!

[alxndr-w]

I understand. For the moment, things are like they are. Laragon 6.0 is free and still a good solution. Personally, I'm happy that @leokhoa didn't discontinue Laragon. And as I wrote before (in other discussions), I paid with my time before fixing problems in XAMPP which crashed my projects for me, also updating was a mess.

In your case, let's see how things go with Laragon in the near future, maybe half a year. You can check the active support and plans for developing and updating Laragon here. https://github.com/leokhoa/laragon/issues

Please feel invited to engage. There are many things to do in discussions section, the Wiki, and so on. I'd appreciate that. I'm sure, Leo would, too. There's always a solution.

[krzron]

Windows Defender won't let me install, saying a virus or potentially unwanted software. Do I have to disable Defender temporarily?
Had been using Laragon for several years now using Laragon 5.

 Thanks,

Ron

[MackSix]

I shall enter an exclusion to the laragon folder before installation. The folder exclusion appears to be working. So what is the cost, and why do i pay before even knowing if my localhost will work properly? Very unusual.

Just keep clicking cancel or the X button and it will run. It will keep nagging you a couple of times, but when it is running, it will run well to test, but you will get a nag screen once in a while. Then you can click to buy and it takes you to the webpage with the pricing.

[krzron]

Yes, I went ahead and paid the $20 since I have been using free for 4-5 years and thought worth it. How do I transfer my databases from laragon 5? I copied my app folder to www but what about the database. Indication is it is not communicating with the database.

[krzron]

where is phpMyAdmin? On Laragon 5, there were tools with right click on icon in system tray. How am I to create a new database?
Man, this is not easy anymore.

[MackSix]

where is phpMyAdmin? On Laragon 5, there were tools with right click on icon in system tray. How am I to create a new database? Man, this is not easy anymore.

Tools >> Quick Add >> phpmyadmin and it will download the zip and install it. You can manually install it by downloading the zip and unzipping it to laragon\etc\apps\phpMyAdmin\ and that will work too.

[MackSix]

Yes, I went ahead and paid the $20 since I have been using free for 4-5 years and thought worth it. How do I transfer my databases from laragon 5? I copied my app folder to www but what about the database. Indication is it is not communicating with the database.

I dumped the database with phpmyadmin and then uploaded it to the db in v7 with phpmyadmin. Just make sure if you are running another version that you make sure the Windows System User path reflects the right on you are using. Tools >> Path >> Manage Path or manually.

[JMoodyFWD]

I'm completely fine with paying for Laragon, as I'm sure many others probably are as well. What is holding me up from purchasing a lifetime license right now is the device limit being 1 with an activation limit.

I have both a laptop and a desktop. Considering that I would need to purchase a commercial license, I'm either needing to pay $100/year or $300 for the privilege of utilizing Laragon on two devices. I also do a lot of reinstalls of windows each year for various reasons. Requiring communication to ask for permission to activate Laragon on the same PC that I've been using it on already is too much to ask, especially at this price point.

In all honesty, I use Laragon primarily because I am lazy and don't want to have to spin up docker or use WSL and install a lamp stack manually. I'd really like to remain lazy in this regard. But in order for me to do so, I personally need to see a license that allows two devices (desktop and laptop) and without an activation limit to avoid headaches.

I would also ask that there is clear definition at the point of sale that is legally binding saying that the "perpetual (lifetime)" license is non-revocable, as there has already been companies revoking perpetual licenses just because the software was "outdated" and forcing the user to buy a new, more expensive, subscription-only license in the future. Purchasing a "perpetual" license should be a trust-less transaction so that I am not required to take someone's word for it being perpetual, but instead I am legally guaranteed that license to use the software, at least that version, indefinitely in the future.

If these requests are not possible, then I wish you the best of luck with Laragon 7, though I am hopeful that this can be done so I can continue using and paying for a product that I have thoroughly enjoyed in the past.

[JMoodyFWD]

I'd like to stop this discussion in this thread, because it doesn't bring us anywhere. Different opinions were discussed here and also elsewhere.

I don't want to lock this thread as it's the official 7.0.0 announcement thread.

Solutions for EULA and other concerns are in the making. The order was not perfect but as far as I know, @leokhoa fixes one by another. Everybody may have their own "high priority issues" with Laragon, licensing, bug-fixing, feature developing, so I kindly ask for more time to make as many happy as possible.

@alxndr-w Well being as pragmatic and as fair as possible, if we shouldn't have discussions being civil, yet critical of Laragon, then the discussion forums as a whole shouldn't exist. I don't recall seeing anyone rush Leo into making rapid changes, but there has been nuanced discussion on this topic that has yielded nuanced responses, all of which helps to more clearly express viewpoints from all sides. Based on my conversation with Leo here, I'm sure that he will respond back probably with more clarifying questions, which I will be unable to respond to if this thread is locked.

If users like @boberski666 don't like what is being discussed, they can either civilly discuss their point of view or simply not engage in conversation and unsubscribe from notifications. Uncivil dialogue attempting to silence others and resorting to personal attacks shouldn't be tolerated, and I would expect that if you have the power to lock a thread, you also have the power of talking to them to make sure they aren't conducting themselves inappropriately, taking appropriate actions should they continue.

[Sophist-UK]

I would add to what Justin @JMoodyFWD has just said by saying that in my experience with several projects there is a direct correlation between forums promoting proper debate (and jumping on rudeness) and the project being successful.

[MackSix]

@Sophist-UK

"And part of the reason Leo is ignoring it is because users like @MackSix are telling him he should."

Your ability to make things up that I said, that I didn't, is astounding.

[Sophist-UK]

I apologise - I agree that you never explicitly said that.

However, it is what you are effectively telling him because you don't bother to make your own case (with evidence, that can be weighed up) that his approach is sound, and your attitude that reasoned, evidenced, constructive criticism is unwelcome simply reinforces Leo's position that he should ignore anyone who doesn't agree with him without you having given any rationale to back that up.

[MackSix]

I apologise - I agree that you never explicitly said that.

However, it is what you are effectively telling him because you don't bother to make your own case (with evidence, that can be weighed up) that his approach is sound, and your attitude that reasoned, evidenced, constructive criticism is unwelcome simply reinforces Leo's position that he should ignore anyone who doesn't agree with him without you having given any rationale to back that up.

I think everything you want changed, you have expressed here and/or the Discord channel, no? Maybe reiterate everything together in one Discord post or a document for Leo and leave it at that, rather than posting things like Leo is not listening to you. That would be more helpful. And the end of the day, it's up to Leo what he wants to do. I don't think he is ignoring you, I just think it is a lot of time to read a voluminous amount of criticizing and respond to it all. But I might be wrong. I don't know what Leo thinks about it. It's just my impression.

I don't want to argue about it any more. :)

[pamatz]

Hi @leokhoa,
I recently purchased a perpetual license. The payment was processed successfully via PayPal in the License sales page, but I have not yet received the license key or any confirmation email. Could you kindly assist me in resolving this issue?
My email [email protected]
Thank you!

[leokhoa]

Hi @pamatz : Of course! Could you please send a proof of payment to [email protected]? I'll check whether Lemon Squeezy charged you but didn't issue a license via email.

[pamatz]

Hi @leokhoa, a few hours ago Lemon Squeezy send me the confirmation email with my license key. Thank you very much for all your dedication and work!

[leokhoa]

You're very welcome. I'm glad you received your license key. Let me know if you need any help. Thanks @pamatz!