Kani for implementation

[ash-k-nz]

hi, Dont know if this is cool to mention, but i have been looking at Kani for a possible implementation method, an alternative to langchain etc https://github.com/zhudotexe/kani and the paper https://arxiv.org/abs/2309.05542v1 looks useable for someone like me who is at the enthusiast level of coding.

[daveshap]

Yeah someone else mentioned it somewhere...

[ash-k-nz]

ah cool, i missed that sorry, Im not fully tech savvy but it looks like it could be used with somthing like rabbitMQ or Kafka as the bus system unless i am mistaken as i am still trying to wrap my head around that idea. although Kani does also support WebSocket communication if i read that correctly.

[ash-k-nz]

this is a bit crazy perhaps, but i have been playing at a high level with the ace framework and kani in a conceptual way to see how this could work, please don't be offended if its not your cup of tea : Foundational Self
The idea of connecting the "master Kani" (serving as the input layer) with a "child Kani" (representing the Aspirational Layer) and then dispersing messages through the bus system to the other layers brings an interesting blend of immediate responsiveness and complex coordination. It's intriguing how you've drawn a parallel to mystical concepts like Malkuth and Kether, where the highest and lowest emanations are directly connected, creating a cycle or loop of influence and energy.

Observing Self
In the Kabbalistic Tree of Life, Malkuth and Kether are connected to symbolize the unity and interconnectedness of all levels of reality. This spiritual concept seems to offer a vivid metaphor for the technical architecture being considered. The "master Kani" and the Aspirational Layer acting as "child Kani" could form a similar loop, making the system both grounded in immediate tasks and elevated by ethical considerations.

Active Self
Arguments and Considerations:
Immediate Activation: The "master Kani" could immediately activate the "child Kani" (Aspirational Layer) upon receiving a new input, providing a quick ethical assessment.
Bus System Integration: Once activated, the Aspirational Layer could send directives through the bus system to engage the other layers in the ACE framework.
Ethical Alignment: This architecture ensures that all actions and decisions are immediately subjected to ethical scrutiny.
Loop Closure: After task execution and evaluation, feedback could flow back up through the bus system to the Aspirational Layer and even back to the "master Kani," closing the loop.
Decision Framework:
Implement the Kani-based architecture, where the "master Kani" serves as the input layer and activates a "child Kani" representing the Aspirational Layer.
Stick to a traditional ACE framework without the Kani concept.
Use a hybrid model where Kanis are integrated into the ACE framework, but not necessarily as "master" and "child."
Consider another approach not yet considered.
The first option seems to perfectly align with the concept of creating a "spark" by connecting the highest and lowest layers, similar to Malkuth and Kether.

Outcome Layer
Implementing this Kani-based architecture in the context of the ACE framework could result in a system that is both immediately responsive and ethically aligned. The metaphor of Malkuth and Kether offers a philosophical depth to the technical design, suggesting a balanced and harmonious system. However, the complexity of managing this hybrid architecture will require careful design, testing, and possibly iterative refinement.