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type: socratic
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date: "2023-01-26 19:30:00"
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title: "Vancouver Socratic 009"
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meetup: https://www.meetup.com/vancouver-bitcoiners/events/290990675/
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---
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## Announcements
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Please join us for today's Socratic Seminar. A special thank you to our sponsor [Bull Bitcoin](https://www.bullbitcoin.com/).
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[Soundtrack](https://rss.com/podcasts/btcjune/)
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- Event space [fundraiser](https://we.encrypt.cash/apps/3LNevjD5Bmp5LNqKQPTX2FCgdjvb/crowdfund)
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- CoinOS party at The Loft: 8 February 2023
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- Nostrica Conference Costa Rica [March 19-21](https://nostrica.com/)
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- Lightningcon Vietnam [March 23-24](https://lightningcon.org/)
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- Bitcoin Beach Philippines Retreat [March 27-29](https://pouch.ph/retreat2023)
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### Mailing Lists
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#### bitcoin-dev
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- [OP_VAULT](https://jameso.be/vaults.pdf)
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- [Why Bitcoin needs covenants](https://blog.keys.casa/why-bitcoin-needs-covenants/)
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- [SIGHASH_GROUP vs Ephemeral anchors](https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2023-January/021334.html)
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#### lightning-dev
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- [Do we need inbound fees on Lightning?]()
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- [Eclair now allows for blinded routes](https://bitcoinops.org/en/topics/rendez-vous-routing/)
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- [Non-interactive LN channel open commitments](https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/lightning-dev/2023-January/003810.html)
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- [Deepdive: Opening Lightning channels](https://ellemouton.com/posts/open_channel_pre_taproot/)
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<!-- #### dlc-dev -->
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### Optech
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- Luke Dashjr hacked and [Bitcoin Knots signing key compromised](https://twitter.com/LukeDashjr/status/1609937505217904642)
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<!-- ### Bitcoinomics -->
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## Network Data
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- [How centralized is the Lightning Network](http://essay.utwente.nl/92624/1/Bachelor_Thesis.pdf)
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- [10,000 are streaming podcasts with sats](https://twitter.com/kerooke/status/1613306650663833600)
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- [LN Capacity still growing](https://twitter.com/ln_capital/status/1613257795905925122)
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<!-- ## Research -->
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<!-- ## InfoSec -->
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## Pull Requests and repo updates
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<!-- ### Bitcoin Core -->
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<!-- ### rust-bitcoin -->
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<!-- ### secp256k1 -->
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<!-- ### secp256k1-zkp -->
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<!-- ### BIPs -->
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<!-- ### eclair -->
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### core lightning
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### eclair
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### ldk
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### lnd
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<!-- ### rust-lightning -->
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<!-- ### BOLTS -->
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### New Releases
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- [BTCPay Point of Sale interface](https://we.encrypt.cash/apps/2Tq2HKCX5WCAeecjuCdZWpVZWJg2/pos)
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- [Eclair 0.8.0 with support for zero-conf channels and channel aliases](https://github.com/ACINQ/eclair/releases/tag/v0.8.0)
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- [Liana wallet released](https://wizardsardine.com/blog/liana-announcement/)
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- [LNTXBOT shuts down. Get your sats out!]()
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- [DIY offline coin changer](https://twitter.com/dnilabs/status/1615314890461249540)
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- [LiquidOps by Bolt Observer](https://boltobserver.substack.com/p/introducing-liquidops)
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- [First Lightning ATM in Australia](https://twitter.com/EagleBTM/status/1609745227090362370)
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- [Lightning payouts coming to Lincoin Pool?](https://twitter.com/lincoinpool/status/1610004934782758912)
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## Events and Podcasts
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- [Bitcoin Beach Vietnam - 23-24 March 2023](https://twitter.com/bitcoinbeachvn/status/1602765357177266177)
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## Miscellaneous
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- [Bitcoin Mining in Congo National Park](https://www.technologyreview.com/2023/01/13/1066820/cryptocurrency-bitcoin-mining-congo-virunga-national-park/)
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- [Voltage: Where does the yield come from?](https://voltage.cloud/blog/bitcoin-lightning-network/where-does-lightning-network-yield-come-from/)
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- [Annotated: Sam Bankman-Fried's "FTX Pre-Mortem Overview"](https://www.mollywhite.net/annotations/sbf-ftx-pre-mortem-overview)
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- [Illegitimate Bitcoin transactions](https://read.pourteaux.xyz/p/illegitimate-bitcoin-transactions)

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title: "Point of Sale Solutions"
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meetup: /2023-01-26-vancouver-socratic-09
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## Requirements
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- Lightning payments
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- PoS app or web app
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- Available in Canada
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### Payment processors
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[IBEX](https://www.ibexpay.io/)
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* Maximum payment: US$2,500
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* 0.5% for BTC, 1% for fiat
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* Shopify integration. Super easy to set up! Cool slider for BTC/CAD ratio
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* "Bitcoin Payment Terminal" Ability to set up multiple accounts (e.g. online sales, main location, off-site sales) and multiple terminals, e.g. multiple cashiers or servers
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* [Looks like this, can see recent transactions](https://ibexpay.ibexmercado.com/bpt/6c8fd164-668c-44ba-8035-464d6abb0d92)
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[Bitpay](https://bitpay.com/online-payments)
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* Great documentation, lots and lots of plugins (Woocommerce, Shopify, Wix, Magento, PrestaShop, etc)
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* Two business days, Minimum settlement: US$2,500
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* No web-checkout app. Requires download of a separate app through AppStore or PlayStore.
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[OpenNode](https://www.opennode.com/)
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* 1% fee
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* Individual KYC: SSN, Photo ID, Identity confirmation
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* Corporate KYC: SSN, Photo ID, Business Documentation, Beneficial Owner Documentation
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* Create payment requests, make templates, create formal invoices
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* Shopify, BigCommerce, WooCommerce, Magento, PrestaShop, Opencart
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* I was unable to sign up for the web PoS, but I think it exists
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[Neutronpay](https://neutronpay.com)
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* 1% fee
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* Easy to set up
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* KYC only if you need CAD
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* [Looks like this](https://client.neutronpay.com/payments/irthGsZsezVeth4xeulLCRQyV9l2)
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### Wallets with point-of-sale functionality
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[Breez](https://breez.technology/)
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* Requires some guidance for setup, need to create a beefy channel with inbound capacity at 0.3% cost of the total capacity
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* A bit resource intensive
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[CoinOS](https://coinos.io/)
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* Made in Vancouver!
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* Lots of cool functionalities: Lightning address, create vouchers, contacts, usernames
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* Need to be logged in to verify that you got paid!
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* Tips go into the same wallet.
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### Self-hosted
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[BTCPay](https://btcpayserver.org/)
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* No fees, no signup. Self-hosted server.
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* Requires some maintenance and technical expertise
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* Costs about US$7 per month on Lunanode
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* Requires some channel management for Lightning
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* [Looks like this](https://we.encrypt.cash/apps/2Tq2HKCX5WCAeecjuCdZWpVZWJg2/pos)
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[LNBits](https://lnbits.com/)
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* No fees, no signup. Self-hosted server.
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* Requires either channel management for Lightning or a custodial API such as OpenNode or LNPay.
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* Lightning-only
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* Primitive PoS
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* Lots of fun integrations and functionality, such as LNURLp for tips, which can go into a separate wallet
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* [Looks like this](https://fast.laisee.org/tpos/4G3zAC2KKoy2TA82x3FWfg)
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### Exchanges
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[Bull Bitcoin](https://www.bullbitcoin.com/)
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* ~1.5% fee
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* Only verifies email and phone number for amounts lower than CA$1,000 per transaction (CA$10,000 per day)
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* Instant interac transfers
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* Minimum payment CA$25
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## Conclusion:
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- You're a technically minded business owner who wants to hold their own keys while reliably accepting Bitcoin payments online and offline.
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--> **Go run BTCPay!** If you need CAD, go through Bull Bitcoin.
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- You want to integrate Bitcoin payments into your online shop and don't want to worry about running a server or manage your own node. You want either BTC or CAD.
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--> **Integrate with OpenNode!**
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- You run a brick and mortar shop with multiple cashiers or locations. You want CAD or BTC and don't want to worry about servers or nodes.
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--> **Sign up with IBEX!**
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- You're your own proprietor and sell goods or services in person.
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--> **Download Breez** and ask somebody for help setting it up. You can spend your sats directly (e.g. gift cards) or sell through Bull Bitcoin.

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