Introduction to Frameworks: Rearrange position in the course

[gingkapls]

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Proposed Change:

I think this lesson would be better suited as the first lesson in the Express section, before the Introduction To Express

Reasoning:

This lesson comes between the Introduction to the Back End and Introduction: What is Nodejs? lessons.

Personally, I think the placement of this lesson feels awkward. We just learned about how a full stack application works, and a little bit about how back ends work, but before we're able to know how a back end works in more detail, we're introduced to frameworks that abstract away how the back end works.

The benefits of abstraction and frameworks kind of fly over the head, as we're yet to even understand or work with a framework-less Nodejs back end yet to know what all is abstracted away.

Not to mention that just after we introduce frameworks, we pretty much forget about their existence until the next section in the course, Express.

To make an analogy, it feels similar to introducing frameworks like React at the beginning of the Javascript Course, only to switch back to vanilla Javascript immediately after.

Path

Node / JS

Lesson Url

https://www.theodinproject.com/lessons/nodejs-introduction-to-frameworks

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[gingkapls]

I noticed that this lesson is part of the shared lessons between the NodeJS and Ruby pathways. I don't know much about the Ruby path, but I think the proposed change would not work without disrupting that path.

In which case I'm not sure to resolve this without disrupting the other path, or if the other path would also benefit from this change.
Regardless, would that lead to duplication of content? I'm not familiar with how the website consumes the lesson content.

[ChuqiaoHuang]

Can you please assign this to me? I am willing to fix it

[MaoShizhong]

I agree with this point. I was originally thinking about raising it when the Node intro section is part of the active revamp milestone, but since it's been raised here, I don't think it'll be any issue at all literally just moving the lesson back to be the first in the Express section (i.e. before Introduction to Express). Since it'll be moved back instead of forward, there wouldn't be the issue of people missing out on the lesson. Its placement in the Rails course makes sense but in the Node course, there's non-framework content between this lesson and the Express section where it's relevant.

Moving the lesson position would mean moving the lesson fetch in website repo to the new position, but that's all that would be needed IIRC.

[wise-king-sullyman]

I agree, this seems like a good change.

As was said in the last comment this is work that will really need to be done in our site repo, so I will move this issue there.

@ChuqiaoHuang is this still something you would like to work on given that?

[ChuqiaoHuang]

Yes, I am willing to work on this

[ChuqiaoHuang]

I have already made a pull request according to this issue.