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Conty should be even more simple. Claimed as "user friendly as possible" - no. More should be done #215

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vrement opened this issue Jan 30, 2025 · 9 comments

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vrement commented Jan 30, 2025

"It is designed to be as simple and user-friendly as possible" states the page. But then the first problem comes for the 'normie" or a new comer: the downloaded file has to be made executable (and terminal is encouraged there) which most beginners don't even understand what it is, nor would start up proceeding to copy-paste commands).

Doing this through file manager's Properties option is already too much, too. Believe me, i have witnessed many initially interested in Linux just saying straight out "f*ck it" upon this kind of stuff.

So the solution for this would be a Snap or a Flatpak package. Best both. Meaning: install from distro's app center with a click like normal people require and want it to be. Linux usage can be as easy as a game console experience if developers make it so in their area, really.

"The only requirements are fuse3 (or fuse2) and coreutils (or other POSIX compliant basic utilities). And your /tmp directory should allow files execution (which it does by default on most distros)".

---More total confusion (and f*ck it dimension) for a poor normie. These fuses and coreutils could also be packed inside a Flatpak or a Snap. Let's take advantage of these modern technologies making everyones life on Linux easier?

  1. Usage. Once again the "CLI" usage (so terminal) is preferred there.

Just look at this stuff through the eyes of a normie and please try to understand what i mean here:

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The solution: just offer the "GUI" (the sane and normal way for people to use a computer) as the first thing there?

There is also more - but not continuing longer now before response to these notions. So sorry if this came out as ranty but these thoughts came up right away finding this project as it claimed itself as user friendly as possible.

@vitaly-zdanevich
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For me, from user perspective, AppImage is better than snap/flatpak - because no daemon is needed, I do not need to install anything.

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the downloaded file has to be made executable

I agree, but is it possible?

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Also, feel free to add Conty to the package manager of your Linux distribution.

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just offer the "GUI"

Maybe by default it should open integrated Nautilus with app icons?

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#164 will increase usability.

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Kron4ek commented Jan 30, 2025

I understand that it can be simpler, but so far i like it as it is.

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vrement commented Feb 1, 2025

I understand that it can be simpler, but so far i like it as it is.

Look, you are a computer sawwy developer. This is about a regular, common user and how they will find themselves overwhelmed by all of this. If more people would actually be able to use this program, more bug reports would also occur, making Conty better.

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I made an bwrap based compatibility environment too, like Conty.

I made it an deb file so newbies can just double click and install it, then open it in launcher, also it can automatically send the installed applications to launcher too.

You may be like it.

https://gitee.com/amber-ce/amber-ce-bookworm/blob/master/README.md

But the cost is much larger disk space cost, and it only support debian. It's a trade off between convenience and portable. For me, I think Conty did pretty well and does not need to change.


As for the GUI stuff, newbies need an APP Store, not an enhanced Conty. I made one too. Also, debian only. As I said, It's a trade off between convenience and portable, and I think Conty did pretty well and does not need to change.

https://gitee.com/spark-store-project/spark-store/blob/dev/README.md

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debian only

In Gentoo we have many packages (ebuilds) that install from deb.

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